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Schneider Teaches His Former Archbishop: A Heretical Pope Doesn't Lose His Office

The idea that a heretical pope automatically loses his office is a "dubious opinion," Bishop Schneider writes on LifeSiteNews.com (February 28).

It stems from Gratian (+1160) who accepted a “spurious” decree attributed to Saint Boniface (+754). Some theologians like Robert Bellarmine (+1621) adopted it but it "never" was Church teaching.

Schneider stresses that there is no institution competent to establish that the pope is a heretic, and that an individual bishop may not decide to omit the pope's name during Mass.

Declaring Francis an "invalid pope" is according to Schneider “a dead end," as Benedict XVI himself said repeatedly that he is no longer pope.

Schneiders’ words are an implicit reply to statements pronounced by the former Karaganda/Kazakhstan Archbishop Jan Lenga who made Schneider a bishop.

Picture: © Joseph Shaw, CC BY-NC-SA, #newsDgrltwpxsd

Ultraviolet
"He believes that Christ allows ..." Thors Catholic Hammer gets an "F".

False assumption, at least two false premises, and false conclusion derived. Nowhere has Bishop Schneider stated he believes Christ allows anything of the sort. You're making things up again, Thor.

Your conclusion is readily disproven. It is entirely possible to recognize a Pope is evil and then, having done so, notMore
"He believes that Christ allows ..." Thors Catholic Hammer gets an "F".

False assumption, at least two false premises, and false conclusion derived. Nowhere has Bishop Schneider stated he believes Christ allows anything of the sort. You're making things up again, Thor.

Your conclusion is readily disproven. It is entirely possible to recognize a Pope is evil and then, having done so, not be deceived by him.

...and then you sneer that Bishop Schneider's "lacks intelligence". I don't know how to tell you this, Crackers... you ain't the sharpest pencil in the box yourself. :D
Thors Catholic Hammer
+Schneider lacks intelligence.
He believes that Christ allows his faithful be deceived by a formally heretical pope called Bergoglio.
Deception is the name of the game and Bergolio is playing it to the hilt.
Millions of catholics are deceived by him.
rhemes1582
A Saint Pope has spoken on this matter.
Quote of the day - Pope St. Felix III
Ultraviolet
Apply your standards evenly, Gesù è con noi , or defer from doing so. You're either a hard-core sedevacantist who doesn't recognize the last two Papacies or a flaming hypocrite with double standards for determining the effects of supposed "heresy" and "idolatry"

"You want to make us believe that Bergoglio became a pope by magic when in Argentina he was a public heretic, a schismatic and an …More
Apply your standards evenly, Gesù è con noi , or defer from doing so. You're either a hard-core sedevacantist who doesn't recognize the last two Papacies or a flaming hypocrite with double standards for determining the effects of supposed "heresy" and "idolatry"

"You want to make us believe that Bergoglio became a pope by magic when in Argentina he was a public heretic, a schismatic and an apostate."

By your reasoning, Cardinal Ratzinger could not become Pope either. He penned "Domine Jesus" which critics argue is heretical. If so, he too is a public heretic and could not become Pope, either.

www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php

"denies the dogma of Papal Infallibility, which states that a pope cannot teach heresy in his infallible Magisterium in matters of faith and morals."

If Bergoglio is automatically excommunicated for heresy, then so is Saint John Paul II who approved "Domine Jesus" as official Catholic teaching.

"A stubborn heretic who continues to commit heresy apostasy in front of the whole world and has violated the first Commandment with the sin of Idolatry to Pachamama."

...and if you want to use that standard, then apply it evenly to the previous papacies!

You should also condemn Saint John Paul II for repeated instances of idolatry as well.
www.traditioninaction.org/…/A114rcZapotecBl…

www.traditioninaction.org/…/A070rcAssisi_Cu…

Here is JP II kissing the Quran which denies the divinity of Jesus.
akacatholic.com/…/JPII-Koran.jpg

"Remember Monsignor Athanasius Schneider that the Magisterium of the Church has dictated the automatic excommunication for those who collaborate with heretics."

Remember it yourself, Gesù è con noi Then-Pope Benedict XVI attended BOTH Jewish AND Muslim religious services and prayed with the blasphemers as well.

www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/…/anti-pope-bened…

It's time you start applying your big black tar-brush with a fair hand or else leave it in the bucket.
Gesù è con noi
Now that Bergoglio's heresy is manifest and formal, Monsignor Athanasius Schneider denies the dogma of Papal Infallibility, which states that a pope cannot teach heresy in his infallible Magisterium in matters of faith and morals. Since they can no longer deny that Bergoglio is a heretic then now he seeks to impose a well-known heretic on the Church, since Bergoglio already has two heretical …More
Now that Bergoglio's heresy is manifest and formal, Monsignor Athanasius Schneider denies the dogma of Papal Infallibility, which states that a pope cannot teach heresy in his infallible Magisterium in matters of faith and morals. Since they can no longer deny that Bergoglio is a heretic then now he seeks to impose a well-known heretic on the Church, since Bergoglio already has two heretical documents that contradict the Magisterium of the Church: Amoris Laetitia and Querida Amazonian .
Remember Monsignor Athanasius Schneider that the Magisterium of the Church has dictated the automatic excommunication for those who collaborate with heretics.
Gesù è con noi
Let's start from the beginning Monsignor Athanasius Schneider a non-Catholic cannot be a pope. You want to make us believe that Bergoglio became a pope by magic when in Argentina he was a public heretic, a schismatic and an apostate. And you want to make us believe that Bergoglio was a 'super man' who was exempt from being automatically excommunicated, to commit with impunity heresy, apostasy …More
Let's start from the beginning Monsignor Athanasius Schneider a non-Catholic cannot be a pope. You want to make us believe that Bergoglio became a pope by magic when in Argentina he was a public heretic, a schismatic and an apostate. And you want to make us believe that Bergoglio was a 'super man' who was exempt from being automatically excommunicated, to commit with impunity heresy, apostasy and schism, promote sacrilege, be a freemason, a Marxist and a gay activist and nothing happened to him.
If you believe that this kind of 'catholics immune to Ipso Facto excommunication' exists, then with what arguments do you persecute us the faithful Catholics? You have placed above the Magisterium and the Law of God a well-known heretic to impose a heretic on the Church. A stubborn heretic who continues to commit heresy apostasy in front of the whole world and has violated the first Commandment with the sin of Idolatry to Pachamama.
foward
A heretic cannot be a Pope. What we do know is that we cannot listen to a heretic.
GChevalier
Bummer! Here we have the Schneider who's completely out of control. Let him remember that Saint Robert Bellarmine is Doctor of the Church and that he, Schneider, is Doctor of the Antichrist since he recognizes a heretic as Pope: super lamentable! Burke at least recognizes following Saint Alphonsus, also Doctor of the Church, that a heretic pope loses his de facto office.
ndhorner
@Thors Catholic Hammer, maybe you should read his full statement.
Thors Catholic Hammer
@ndhorner
No need. There is sufficient material in the opening post concerning +Schneider ,s ongoing errors and mistakes.
A formal heretic like Bergoglio can not be a catholic pope.
To accept any such a being means to accept a Vicar of Christ who has rejected Christ.
Schneider thinks this is possible and that indicates how faulty his logic is.
Ultraviolet
"A formal heretic like Bergoglio can not be a catholic pope."

"A pope who promulgates formal heresy is excommunicated from the church."

if that's true, then Saint JP II was supposedly not a Catholic Pope either. and neither was Benedict XVI.

JP II approved "Domine Jesus" -as Pope, It's official Catholic teaching and critics find it heretical.

www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php

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"A formal heretic like Bergoglio can not be a catholic pope."

"A pope who promulgates formal heresy is excommunicated from the church."

if that's true, then Saint JP II was supposedly not a Catholic Pope either. and neither was Benedict XVI.

JP II approved "Domine Jesus" -as Pope, It's official Catholic teaching and critics find it heretical.

www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php

Apply your reasoning to all popes or to none, @Thors Catholic Hammer
Novella Nurney
@Ultraviolet, that's an excellent source article and while brief, bears enough information to prove the point.
Thors Catholic Hammer
Bishop Schneider is quite quite wrong.
A pope who promulgates formal heresy is excommunicated from the church.
This happened with the alleged pope Francis and his Amoris Laetitia publication.
It defies all logic and rationality for an excommunicated formal heretic to remain as a pope in the Roman Catholic Church.

Bishop Schneider really ought to know better.
iwirawan
Heretical Pope may not loose his office, however he lose his teaching authority if he teach contrary to Christ's teaching and Apostolic Traditions, therefore should not be obeyed because if we obey him, we will automatically disobey God and sin against 1st commandment.
We can continue to respect him for the reason of his office but not to obey him as he has no authority.
We don't need competent …More
Heretical Pope may not loose his office, however he lose his teaching authority if he teach contrary to Christ's teaching and Apostolic Traditions, therefore should not be obeyed because if we obey him, we will automatically disobey God and sin against 1st commandment.
We can continue to respect him for the reason of his office but not to obey him as he has no authority.
We don't need competent institution to know he is a heretic, as we are given intellect, beside the Lord also told us to know by the fruit.
Bohush
It is ‘dubious’ opinion, but it is a possible opinion because it has never been magisterially condemned. Catholics are free to follow this or any of the five opinions St Bellarmine lists until Church defines which is the right one. As to heretical Francis, everyone would agree that Catholics are not conscience bound to follow him in idol worship, immoral teachings of Amoris Laetitia, Querida …More
It is ‘dubious’ opinion, but it is a possible opinion because it has never been magisterially condemned. Catholics are free to follow this or any of the five opinions St Bellarmine lists until Church defines which is the right one. As to heretical Francis, everyone would agree that Catholics are not conscience bound to follow him in idol worship, immoral teachings of Amoris Laetitia, Querida Amazonia and his treatment of traditional Catholics. Thus, although he sits in Vatican, he de facto lost his authority.
Prayhard
Bergoglio does occupy the office. He holds the power, not Benedict, but his public repudiation of the first Commandment by assisting in the worship of a demon, makes it plain he cannot be taken as a teacher or leader. He is the worst of the Conciliar Popes, so far.
Thors Catholic Hammer
@@Prayhard
You therefore believe that Christ has sent the Catholic Church a Vicar who publicly rejects the 1st commandment.
That alleged vicar has also rejected the 6th commandment and the sacramental system of the Catholic Church.
What sort of a Christ would do all that pray tell?
Prayhard
Christ doesn't send Popes. They were chosen originally by the Senate and People of Dark Age Rome, later Cardinals.Christ only assures that the gates of hell will not prevail. Anyone with eyes to see will know that Bergoglio and the false teachings of V2 now have to rejected. Perhaps there is a vacancy, perhaps Benedict is Pope. Anyhow we have the Mass of Ages and what the Church teaches.

The …More
Christ doesn't send Popes. They were chosen originally by the Senate and People of Dark Age Rome, later Cardinals.Christ only assures that the gates of hell will not prevail. Anyone with eyes to see will know that Bergoglio and the false teachings of V2 now have to rejected. Perhaps there is a vacancy, perhaps Benedict is Pope. Anyhow we have the Mass of Ages and what the Church teaches.

The Bp has an unenviable task. Abp Lenga chose one path, a hard ine but keeping with Bergoglio is dangerous too.
eticacasanova
Bishop Schneider is a saintly, wise man. But his argumentation is faulty: he doesn't consider the possibility if an anticatholic infiltrator achieving their biggest prize: becoming a Pope (according to the Alta Bendita documentos). And he takes Benedicts words as the words of a free man, not a kidnaped prisoner. Third, he says that believing otherwise is to be a pelagian, that only trusts in …More
Bishop Schneider is a saintly, wise man. But his argumentation is faulty: he doesn't consider the possibility if an anticatholic infiltrator achieving their biggest prize: becoming a Pope (according to the Alta Bendita documentos). And he takes Benedicts words as the words of a free man, not a kidnaped prisoner. Third, he says that believing otherwise is to be a pelagian, that only trusts in natural causes: excuse me, monsignor, read Saint Thomas (CG, III, 77): God governs everything through second causes... What you propose is quietism... I'm not going to say anything on the matter of Bergoglio being a pope or not, I'm not the proper authority and I don't have elements to judge adequately, even when he himself says he is a commie, I can't say. What I say is that his arguments are faulty and the Church has taken points of Faith from dubious sources (the descent to the hades, for example), the truth is the truth, no matter where you take it from
laurelmarycecilia
Benedict never made the comment about Francis being the one and only pope. That was fake news....check it out
O Maoleoin
Bishop Schneider is a Vatican 2 follower.Despite all his so called Traditional leanings.
O Maoleoin
Agree with Schneider on one thing,only Divine intervention will suffice.
eticacasanova
But we have to help, that's God's decree
mattsixteen24
The masons were already celebrating decades ago with John XXIII.