His name is the first name on the "List"....and that's the real reason they now claim there isn't one.
If you still believe anything Trump says, then you've been hoodwinked and bamboozled and have drunken deeply and copiously of the poisonous Trump Kool-Aid. This 180 degree turnabout alleging "there is no list and there never was one" proves without a doubt or debate that the thrice married, serial adulterer, self-confessed violent sexual predator and unrepentant convicted felon, Donald Trump, and all of his psychotically criminal henchmen, are pathological liars. And all those who support them are deceived, deluded hypocrites blinded by their own biased double-standards.
Yes @SonoftheChurch I not only saw his name on the list but so did my Nephew. We went back and forth over it. But I had already voted for him. I was duped by that man the first time. I didn't listen to my conscious which is "Never" wrong. I made excuses for him the same as the rest are doing now. But I learned before the end of the first term I was duped. And I refused to vote for him ever again. YES! His name was on the list. And he is one evil forked tongue beast. When the people who defend him so much, make up cheap excuses for all his evil actions wake up, it will be devastating for them. Though I am afraid to think that until the end, some will still make up cheap excuses for him and deny everything they see or read or listen to.
have you heard of Deep learning algorithms , Copy-move Forgery, Splicing, Steganography ? techniques to make copy look real and fool the gullible or naive. If this 'list' were real, it would be grabbed up by Legacy media. Sounds like a type of Gnosticism
Interesting how trump lovers hate to hear the truth and then attack those of us who know it and post it.
Why get on my case? Why not your buddy who said, vote for me and I will give you the list.
Wasn't it Pam Bondi who said, I have the list. It's right on my desk. Then later said. Oh! I was talking about something else? When the question was very simple. Is there a "client list" and will we see it?
How it disappeared so quickly. Now you see it. Now you don't.
You can deny the truth, mock us, put us down and call us names all you want. Just remember this.
Jeffrey Epstein? Oh! I know him well, we are good friends and he is a terrific guy! I didn't say it. Your buddy said it. They invited each other to parties. And laughed the night away.
Suddenly, he says, I haven't spoken to him in many years. Which many years? All I see is pictures of them together, and videos of them together laughing and talking at parties. Throughout the many years.
Make all the excuses you want. Facts are all over the place. The list did come out. The government knew it. Trumps name was on it at least 3 times. Oh! well.
@SonoftheChurch You are a liar! You have not seen the list (if It does exist). You do not know whose names may be on it. You do not know if Donald Trump's name is on it. You make an entirely false claim to know. You did not say "I suspect" or "it is possible" you said his name is the first name on the list. If you are lying about firsthand knowledge of the possible list, what else are you lying about? Lies destroy any and all credibility. Now do I think there is a coverup - yes. Do I think powerful people including the President is involved in the coverup - yes. Do I think Epstein kept a list written in plain language of his blackmail targets - no. Do I think there is plenty of evidence that points to these targets - yes. Please be honest and tell only the truth that you know. Give your opinion but make it clear that it is your opinion. Do not let hatred of Donald Trump blind you to the facts. By the way I did not vote for Donald Trump.
You know I voted for that man the first time right? But what you don't know is, I made excuses for him as you all do as well. About several years ago, my nephew asked me, did you see trump's name on the list? I told him, yes, and? He went off on how evil he was and how he went to the Island. Stupid me, I told him, he was on the plane but he didn't go to the Island. I told him there was no proof he did. But he insisted he did go to the Island. I made up more excuses for it. But when I voted for him, I didn't listen to my inner voice and the hesitancy I had to vote for him. After that conversation with my nephew, it got worse. So, I decided to pay closer attention to him. Before the end of his term, I knew I made a bad mistake. So, I am sorry to say, YES! His name was on that list. And you can fight it all you want. But I saw it and so did my nephew. And again, I don't hate the man. But I don't care for him either. I don't want a thing to do with him. Open your eyes before it's too late. You will be devastated to learn in the end how badly you were duped by that creep. We want to believe sometimes that someone is good. But we only fool ourselves. Don't be fooled by the beast with the forked tongue as I was the first time I voted for him. Stop denying everything you see. Stop making up cheap excuses for him. I regret voting for him. I asked GOD to forgive me for being so blind and not listening to my conscious. It is never wrong. But sometimes I ignore it. When I do, I regret it. But better I regretted and learned the first time than to continue on and on and on.
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You mean the flight logs he maintained, right? Or was there a doc drop that I missed? Because I honestly figured the "list" was metaphorical - we can figure out from existing data who did what when. Or something compiled by the investigators, not a little black book Epstein kept in his top desk drawer.
I can't remember exactly. It was a bad time for me during his first term and I was very upset with myself voting for him. I can't remember but maybe my nephew, "if" I talk to him can remember exactly what he saw. When I saw it, I ignored it immediately. As I said, I made up cheap excuses for him. And I didn't pay attention to too much going on about him. I will ask him when I can. He sleeps during the day and at night he is busy and doesn't always answers his phone. Just remind me and I will ask him. If he answers his phone. We haven't spoken in weeks and I have tried to call him 2 or 3 times already. I will get all I can from him.
It went down like the Panama Papers - there were A LOT of high profile figures in the flight logs. Trump showed up a couple of times. But then it quietly went away.
Just to be clear - this was a release of the entire flight logs, not just trips to his island. Epstein liked to give rides to important people.
So you do remember his name on the list as well. I am glad we are not the only ones to remember that. Can you dig it up now? I will try later on to do it. If I remember that is. It was a list showing who went to the Island I believe. And yes his name was on it. The flight log was kept for those who went to the Island. Not just a cruise around town.
Yeah, it was from the evidence given by the prosecution in Maxwell vs. USA. I sent you a direct link, but anyone can look it up on CBP's website. Or Google.
To your defense, an actual contact book was recorded as being seized as evidence by the DOJ as part of this trial. But it was never released.
@foward I agree with you completely. In my opinion it appears that Epstein was running a blackmail honeytrap operation with dozens of high profile rich and powerful people, possibly including president Trump. My point in responding to sonofthechurch was that you cannot call someone a liar if you are doing the same by stating "facts" that you do not know to be true. They should be stated as opinions.
The DOJ's recent actions were only to signal to Epstein's clientele that they are under new management.
Can Deep state be trusted not to interfere with records too? They can just as easily fiddle any document/ device they want. I think we 're flying blind, so a reminder to not put trust in man but in God, and pray for the leaders He permits us that they do His will, willingly or otherwise.
@CatMuse Pam, Trump’s Attorney General, emphatically and explicitly said the list was “sitting on my desk” openly and publicly before the whole world. Is she “Deep State” too?
Not speculating on that but simply that information in an age of universal deceit is unreliable. There may very well have been a list. Where that list came from and how valid it is and what it represents is another matter. If Epstein was as evil and corrupt as portrayed I would fully expect him to put his worst enemy at the top of his list wouldn't you? It would extend his malice beyond the grave. What could be more damaging than that? A pervert's perversion extends to all areas of his life. The truth is not in him.
@CatMuse The existence, reach and impact of the alleged “Deep State” is exactly what you’re speculating on in your original comment. It serves as the very foundation of your hypothesis in your observation. It’s absurd to divert from it now, when the matter of whom it includes is called into question.
Well there is other information. Have you seen him sniffing around children, are his sons degenerate cokeheads. He clearly likes beautiful women to adorn himself. That is male vanity. A pervert on the other hand seeks to corrupt the innocent, usually starting with his nearest and dearest.
trying to save his client, Epstein's lawyer asked Epstein whether he had anything on Trump. Epstein said no........ there's a lot blue journalism info uploaded on this site................ sigh
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It would be ludicrous for Epstein's lawyer to have asked if "Epstein had anything on Trump" if the lawyer was aware Epstein did not have anything on anyone else either. Even if one is a MAGA supporter, it is difficult to avoid the notion that we are being played. Trump owes his supporters more than the lame denials about client lists, etc. when they were fodder for his campaign.
Most, sadly, play the same deceitful and evil game. Where there is no God, the devil often rules.