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Gregory DiPippo argues that Vatican II’s liturgy constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium was effectively nullified not by neglect but by its early misapplication. He identifies the 1964 decree Inter Oecumenici—especially its promotion of Mass versus populum—as introducing changes never envisioned by the constitution itself. DiPippo contends that subsequent “conciliar reforms,” exemplified by recent experimental reordering of Mantua Cathedral, falsely claim fidelity to the Council while betraying its intent. He concludes that decades of such reinterpretations make it impossible to recover what the Council actually taught, and calls on Church leaders to acknowledge this failure.

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What Killed Sacrosanctum Concilium

There have been many laws, decrees, constitutions and such in the Church’s long history which, without ever being formally revoked, simply faded into disuse and obscurity. Very often, it is impossible to say when such laws became dead letters. But in the case of Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Second Vatican Council’s constitution on the liturgy, we know the exact day on which it became a dead letter. That day was September 26, 1964, when the Sacred Congregation for Rites published the decree Inter Oecumenici, billed, falsely, as a step towards its implementation, but in reality, a guarantee that it would not be implemented, but rejected.
I say this because it was the decree that enshrined the celebration of the Mass versus populum. “The main altar should preferably be freestanding, to permit walking around it and celebration facing the people.” (parag. 91) The problem with this was not principally that it was based on an egregious scholarly error, one of many that marred the process …

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Sacrosanctum Concilium was not "misapplied" as it had been written in a way allowing to apply it in whatever way revolutionaries wanted.
It is quite grotesque to talk about "nullifying" or "killing" the document that was a mere, temporary jumping point for the further progressive leap.
Come on, that document was dead as a dodo the very moment they voted for it.
Too progressive to protect the liturgy and too conservative for the progressist lobby.
Later events only confirmed the above.
As "indultists" often miss reality they are cultivating the myth of good and salutary "Sacrosanctum Concilium" - actually, the document that had brought no good whatsoever in the field of the Catholic liturgy.

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Weitere Bilder vom Kardinal beim Alt-Ritus-Pontifikalamt in Australien (Karmel-Gründung)

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Der jüngste Kardinal der Kirche assistiert in der Alten Messe - Karmelgründung in Australien

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January 15 in Charlotte, in the cold and in front of the chancery, faithful gathered to pray for our diocese, for Bishop Martin, and in reparation for his liturgical directives.

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Catholics gathered outside of Charlotte Diocese Pastoral Centre yesterday to pray in reparation after a ban on altar rails and kneelers went into effect in the Diocese

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wer findet den Fehler zum Thema Papst .....

Italo-Greek monstrance for leavened bread

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Il vescovo Athanasius Schneider ha chiesto a Papa Leone XIV di pubblicare una Costituzione Apostolica che liberalizzi il permesso per la Messa tradizionale in latino.

What Bishop Schneider has proposed Pope Leo XIV

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Gregory DiPippo: "One simply has to be willing to recognize the obvious truth, that the liturgical reform was not born out of Sacrosanctum Concilium. It was born out of the rejection of Sacrosanctum Concilium. The Church has paid an appallingly steep price for this rejection."

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Cardinal Roche is Very, Very Worried

I am sure that by now, most of our readers have heard about the document circulated by His Eminence Arthur Cardinal Roche, prefect of the Dicastery for Divine Worship, during the recent consistory of all the cardinals called by Pope Leo. It was published yesterday on the Substack of Diane Montagna, who is also, I am sure, well-known to our readers as one of the best reporters on Church-related matters in Rome. Within a few hours of its publication, I had a message from Peter saying that it needs a thorough fisking; this was done immediately, and very ably, as always, by Fr Zuhlsdorf, and likewise, by Dr Gavin Ashenden and Dr Joseph Shaw. I thank them all for sparing me the necessity of doing it myself, and strongly recommend their commentary to all our readers.
But there are a few things about the text which I found striking, and on which I make bold to offer some commentary of my own.
The document begins with the general premise that “the history of the Liturgy ... is the history …

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What Bishop Schneider has proposed Pope Leo XIV

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Monsignor Schneider chiede a Leone XIV una "Costituzione apostolica" per liberare la Messa nella Forma Tradizionale, regolamentando la coesistenza dei due usi del Rito Romano ed eliminando restrizioni come quelle imposte dal crudele documento 'Traditionis custodes', basato su menzogne ​​e manipolato dal precedente papa nel 2021.

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Mgr Schneider enchaine les videos comme ici :
Mgr Schneider interrogé par LifeSiteNews : Le …

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COSA FARANNO A DAVOS I GLOBALISTI ?

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Der "Alpenrhein" entspringt im Gebiet von Davos.

Bishop Schneider has asked Pope Leo XIV to issue an apostolic constitution on the Latin Mass. Schneider suggests that this would completely lift the restrictions on the traditional rite. He met with Pope Leo in December.

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Don't hold your breath, Your Excellency.

Exzellenz Bischof Athanasius Schneider schlug dem Heiligen Vater im Gespräch persönlich vor, die überlieferte Messform freizugeben ohne die Möglichkeit für Bischöfe, diesen Ritus einzuschränken. Der alte Ritus sei nicht außerordentlich, sondern ordentlich wie der Novus Ordo, den ja auch kein Bischof untersagen könne. Leo XIV. möge das in einer feierlicheren Form tun als ein Motu proprio es ist. Im Interview bedauert Exzellenz Bischof Athanasius Schneider, dass das Erste in der Kirche, die Anbetung Gottes in der Liturgie, beim kürzlichen Konsistorium entgegen offizieller Ankündigung und Erwartung der Gläubigen als Nebensache gehandhabt wurde. Zudem habe das Konsistorium es an Offenheit fehlen lassen; freie Rede vor den Ohren des Heiligen Vaters sei durch die Gruppenarbeit kaum möglich gewesen. Die sogenannte Synodalität nannte Exzellenz Bischof Schneider eine häretische Konstruktion, insofern sie die Vollmacht des Bischofs durch Laien beschränke.

Old St. Patrick Oratory , ICKSP's apostolate in Kansas City, MO.
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Personal Apostolic Administration of St. John Mary Vianney of Campos, Brazil: "According to official documents that have now been published, Pope Leo XIV accepted Bishop Fernando Arêas Rifan's resignation for reasons of age, but at the same time asked him to continue in office for a further 18 months."

Bishop Fernando Rifan to Remain in Office Until 2027

The governance of Bishop Fernando Arêas Rifan, 75, of the Old Rite Apostolic Administration in Campos, Brazil, has been extended until spring 2027. He announced the extension in a pastoral letter published on January 11 on AdApostolica.org.
Monsignor Rifan recalled his meetings with Leo XIV in the autumn.
On 15 November 2025, he was received in private audience by Leo XIV, to whom he presented his resignation and the situation of the Apostolic Administration.
Leo XIV asked whether Bishop Rifan also celebrates the Novus Ordo. “I told him that in our churches we celebrate the ancient rite, but that when invited I concelebrate with our diocesan bishop, Bishop Roberto Paz, using the current rite, and likewise when I or our priests, when invited, celebrate Mass in the churches of the dioceses, we celebrate the Mass in the current form.”
Bishop Rifan on Leo XIV’s reaction: “He showed himself satisfied.”
On 17 November, Monsignor Rifan was received at the Dicastery for Bishops. There, he …More

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Aus einem Kommentar von @Boni: "Was Kardinal Arthur Roche hier vorlegt, ist keine nüchterne liturgietheologische Reflexion, sondern ein ideologisches Rechtfertigungspapier für eine bereits vollzogene Repression. Der Text will nicht verstehen, sondern beenden. Nicht integrieren, sondern ausmerzen. Nicht die Tradition schützen, sondern sie unter dem Etikett der „Einheit“ liquidieren.
1. Der zentrale Taschenspielertrick: „Tradition = Reform“
Roches Grundbehauptung lautet: Die Geschichte der Liturgie sei eine Geschichte kontinuierlicher Reform, also sei die nachkonziliare Liturgiereform lediglich der jüngste Ausdruck derselben Tradition."

Kardinal Roches Papier gegen die Messe im römischen Ritus

Kardinal Arthur Roche verteilte beim Konsistorium von Leo XIV. letzte Woche einen Text zur Liturgie. Der Journalist Nico Spuntoni veröffentlichte den zweiseitigen Bericht (Faksimile unten). Es ist eine starke Verteidigung von Traditionis Custodes.
Der Bericht war einer von vier Texten, die an die Kardinäle verteilt wurden. Die anderen wurden von den Kardinälen Tucho (Glaube), Grech (Synode) und Baggio (menschliche Entwicklung) verfasst.
Die stärkste ideologische Ablehnung der Messe im römischen Ritus findet sich in vier Zitaten von Franziskus in den Punkten 9, 10 und 11 des Berichts:
- "Aus diesem Grund können wir nicht zu jener rituellen Form zurückkehren, die die Konzilsväter cum Petro et sub Petro als reformbedürftig empfanden."
- "Die Verwendung der liturgischen Bücher, die das Konzil zu reformieren suchte, war ... ein Zugeständnis, das in keiner Weise ihre Förderung vorsah."
- "Die liturgischen Bücher, die von den heiligen Päpsten Paul VI. und Johannes Paul II. promulgiert wurden …More

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Cardinal Mykola Bychok taking part in the Traditional Latin Pontifical High Mass celebrated by Bishop Columba Macbeth-Green in the Carmel of Elijah, Australia

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57-ročný biskup Columba Macbeth-Green z Wilcannia-Forbes v Austrálii celebroval 10. januára svätú omšu rímskeho obradu v ženskom Karmelu Eliášovom v Mathoure v Novom Južnom Walese. Prítomný bol aj ukrajinský kardinál Mykola Bychok z Melbourne. Svätou omšou sa začala výstavba nového kláštora pre karmelitánky zasväteného rímskemu obradu.

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No dia 10 de janeiro, o bispo Columba Macbeth-Green, 57 anos, de Wilcannia-Forbes, Austrália, celebrou uma missa de rito romano no Carmelo feminino de Elias em Mathoura, Nova Gales do Sul. O Cardeal ucraniano Mykola Bychok, de Melbourne, também esteve presente. A missa marcou o início da construção do novo mosteiro para as freiras carmelitas dedicado ao rito romano.

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Can a diocesan bishop prohibit what the universal law of the Church allows? The Charlotte dubia present an important test case.

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The Charlotte dubia test the limits of a bishop’s authority

By Phil Lawler ( bio - articles - email ) | Jan 08, 2026
Was it a coincidence that the dubia submitted bb 31 priests of the Charlotte diocese were made public in the same week that the world’s cardinal gathered in Rome for a consistory? Although I am not privy to their plans, I would like to think that the Charlotte priests were canny enough to realize that with the attentions of the Catholic world centered on Rome, questions about the liturgy, and about the power of diocesan bishops, would be ripe for discussion in Rome.
Technically the priests’ dubia have nothing to do with the cardinals’ consistory. The dubia—questioning whether Bishop Michael Martin has the authority to ban liturgical practices that are allowed by Church law—were submitted to the Dicastery for Legislative Texts, the Vatican body charged with the interpretation of canon law. And as it happened the consistory chose not to discuss the hot-button issue of liturgy, opting instead for continue their seemingly …

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Ausgerechnet Hollerich stellt sich „mehr Flexibilität für die Tridentinische Messe“ vor.

Wie sich das Konsistorium von Leo XIV. abspielt - oder abgespielt wurde

Als Papst Leo XIV. am Mittwoch das erste außerordentliche Konsistorium seines Pontifikats eröffnete, strukturierte er das Programm in einer Weise, die eine substanzielle Diskussion der wichtigsten Themen vermied.
Selbst die teilnehmenden Kardinäle hatten zuvor den offiziellen Botschaften geglaubt und erwartet, dass die Liturgie angesprochen werden würde. Der luxemburgische Kardinal Hollerich sagte am Mittwoch vor Journalisten in der Synodenhalle, er habe geglaubt, dass die Messe im römischen Ritus während des Konsistoriums diskutiert werden würde.
"Ich bin nicht dagegen", sagte er, "aber ich mag einige der Werte nicht, die manchmal damit verbunden sind - kein interreligiöser Dialog, keine Akzeptanz des Zweiten Vatikanischen Konzils und so weiter. Aber die Liturgie selbst ist meiner Meinung nach kein Problem. Wenn viele Menschen durch diese Liturgie Zugang zu Gott haben, dann ist das für mich in Ordnung."
Spielt Leo XIV. mit naiven Katholiken auf Zeit?
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divide and conquer

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was er wohl unter flexibilität versteht ? im finstern wald bei nacht und nebel ?
oder inden römischen katakomben ?

The popular Italian traditional website Messa in Latino, wrote Jan. 7 that it had contacted some anonymous but important cardinals who all said they were “discouraged and disappointed” about the relegation of the liturgy as a discussion topic.
In comments to the Register Jan. 8, the website’s editor Luigi Casalini asked: “To whom did the Pope delegate this choice, and according to what criteria were these cardinals of the nine local churches selected in order to remove — in effect — two topics?” He also wondered “why cardinals sensitive to the issue” appear to have “made no attempt to lobby” for the liturgy to be included as a core topic of discussion, “even before the consistory.”
The consistory, he added, “appears to be in perfect continuity with the Synods and the thought of Francis” — a reference to how recent synods were silent on the traditional liturgy.

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Liturgy Sidestepped at Pope Leo XIV’s First Consistory

Cardinals choose evangelization and synodality as key topics, disappointing those who expected the liturgy to be a central theme after recent restrictions on the traditional form of the Roman rite.
ROME — Some cardinals and faithful who have a devotion to the traditional Roman rite have expressed concern that the liturgy appears to be sidelined in the extraordinary consistory currently underway at the Vatican after the cardinals voted to give priority to other issues on the agenda.
In his opening address to the consistory yesterday, Pope Leo XIV reaffirmed to the cardinal participants that they will have the opportunity to “engage in a communal reflection” on four themes already pre-announced to be on the meeting’s agenda.
Those topics, he said, were Pope Francis’ 2013 apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium “that is, the mission of the Church in today’s world,” Praedicate Evangelium, the late pope’s apostolic constitution reforming the Roman Curia; the Synod and synodality “as …

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