Dignitas Infinita: Tucho Feels Again Sorry For the Regime's Sacred Cows
On 8 April Tucho Fernández published "Dignitas infinita" on human dignity, another long and useless text that took the Vatican five years to write. It condemns in words only abortion, euthanasia and …More
On 8 April Tucho Fernández published "Dignitas infinita" on human dignity, another long and useless text that took the Vatican five years to write. It condemns in words only abortion, euthanasia and suicide.
Kowtowing to the United Nations
Tucho claims that from the beginning the Church, driven by the Gospel (!), has sought to promote "the rights" of all people. He refers to the [hypocritical] "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", strongly rejected at the time by Pius XII, and says that it was "authoritatively" given by the United Nations.
Historically, "human rights" were invented by the French Revolution in 1789 to replace the Ten Commandments and Roman Law (etc.), which are based on duties, not "rights". Rights-based laws end up in conflicting rights, both of which are debatable and decided at the whim of the regime ("judge"). It has never been defined whose duty it is to grant an alleged right, and who must pay or work to make it possible.
Gender Ideology
Tucho makes the claim …More
Kowtowing to the United Nations
Tucho claims that from the beginning the Church, driven by the Gospel (!), has sought to promote "the rights" of all people. He refers to the [hypocritical] "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", strongly rejected at the time by Pius XII, and says that it was "authoritatively" given by the United Nations.
Historically, "human rights" were invented by the French Revolution in 1789 to replace the Ten Commandments and Roman Law (etc.), which are based on duties, not "rights". Rights-based laws end up in conflicting rights, both of which are debatable and decided at the whim of the regime ("judge"). It has never been defined whose duty it is to grant an alleged right, and who must pay or work to make it possible.
Gender Ideology
Tucho makes the claim …More
- Report
Social media
Change post
Remove post
James Manning
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Anyone else notice that he started off this presser by quoting Lumen Gentium and Canon Law, essentially telling us all to shut up and accept this document? Hmm.
Maria delos Angeles
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
D'OH!
Denis Efimov
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Footnote number 25 praises Balthasar and Rahner as "great Christian thinkers"
Denis Efimov
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
From paragraph 11 of this document: "Moreover, the “image” does not define the soul or its intellectual abilities but the dignity of man and woman".
But Saint Thomas Aquinas speaks of the image of God in man: “in rational creatures, possessing intellect and will, there is found the representation of the Trinity by way of image”. “Our being bears the image of God so far as if is proper to us, and …More
From paragraph 11 of this document: "Moreover, the “image” does not define the soul or its intellectual abilities but the dignity of man and woman".
But Saint Thomas Aquinas speaks of the image of God in man: “in rational creatures, possessing intellect and will, there is found the representation of the Trinity by way of image”. “Our being bears the image of God so far as if is proper to us, and excels that of the other animals, that is to say, in so far as we are endowed with a mind”.
And the image of God in a person can have different qualities: "whether this image of God be so obsolete," as it were clouded, "as almost to amount to nothing," as in those who have not the use of reason; "or obscured and disfigured," as in sinners; or "clear and beautiful," as in the just” (Summa Theologiae, 1, 93, 7, 1; 1, 93, 8, 3; 1, 45, 7).
But Saint Thomas Aquinas speaks of the image of God in man: “in rational creatures, possessing intellect and will, there is found the representation of the Trinity by way of image”. “Our being bears the image of God so far as if is proper to us, and excels that of the other animals, that is to say, in so far as we are endowed with a mind”.
And the image of God in a person can have different qualities: "whether this image of God be so obsolete," as it were clouded, "as almost to amount to nothing," as in those who have not the use of reason; "or obscured and disfigured," as in sinners; or "clear and beautiful," as in the just” (Summa Theologiae, 1, 93, 7, 1; 1, 93, 8, 3; 1, 45, 7).
Denis Efimov
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Yes, and with this new theology came a whole bunch of heresies, incl. the most dangerous heresy “integra permanet” (in “Redemptor hominis”), in line with which Tucho spoils the paper with his writings about dignity.
@Denis Efimov
I think the source problem here is Gaudium et spes 22 (evolved and embellished by JPII in many documents):
"Christ, the final Adam, by the revelation of the mystery of the Father and His love, fully reveals man to man himself and makes his supreme calling clear. It is not surprising, then, that in Him all the aforementioned truths find their root and attain their crown."
He Who is "…More
@Denis Efimov
I think the source problem here is Gaudium et spes 22 (evolved and embellished by JPII in many documents):
"Christ, the final Adam, by the revelation of the mystery of the Father and His love, fully reveals man to man himself and makes his supreme calling clear. It is not surprising, then, that in Him all the aforementioned truths find their root and attain their crown."
He Who is "the image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15), is Himself the perfect man. To the sons of Adam He restores the divine likeness which had been disfigured from the first sin onward. Since human nature as He assumed it was not annulled, by that very fact it has been raised up to a divine dignity in our respect too. For by His incarnation the Son of God has united Himself in some fashion with every man."
There are many theological problems in the above text (including but not limited to "revealing man to man himself" and the alleged unification of the Son of God to every man by the very fact of the Incarnation (a total whimsy BTW)). And the main question within the question is a concealment of lasting effects of the original sin like the necessity of Baptism and weakness of human will & intellect.
We can say that "man was created to the image and likeness of God because the human soul is spiritual and rational, free in its operations, capable of knowing and loving God and of enjoying Him for ever — perfections which reflect a ray of the infinite greatness of the Lord in us." (St. Pius X - Catechismo Maggiore) but at the same time we need to add that our nature is not self-sufficient (that is how Satan thinks of himself) and we need the Grace of God to receive true dignity worth its name i.e. dignity of adopted sons of God (Jn 1)
So our nature is not divine (which post-conciliar whimsies suggest( but our end/goal is supernatural (which post-conciliar whimsies like to ignore). Therefore, we need the divine to fulfill our destiny and we can find it in traditional Catholic means of grace and sanctification (Sacraments included). Unfortunately, post-concilliar mumbo-jumbo tries to kill that need.
I think the source problem here is Gaudium et spes 22 (evolved and embellished by JPII in many documents):
"Christ, the final Adam, by the revelation of the mystery of the Father and His love, fully reveals man to man himself and makes his supreme calling clear. It is not surprising, then, that in Him all the aforementioned truths find their root and attain their crown."
He Who is "the image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15), is Himself the perfect man. To the sons of Adam He restores the divine likeness which had been disfigured from the first sin onward. Since human nature as He assumed it was not annulled, by that very fact it has been raised up to a divine dignity in our respect too. For by His incarnation the Son of God has united Himself in some fashion with every man."
There are many theological problems in the above text (including but not limited to "revealing man to man himself" and the alleged unification of the Son of God to every man by the very fact of the Incarnation (a total whimsy BTW)). And the main question within the question is a concealment of lasting effects of the original sin like the necessity of Baptism and weakness of human will & intellect.
We can say that "man was created to the image and likeness of God because the human soul is spiritual and rational, free in its operations, capable of knowing and loving God and of enjoying Him for ever — perfections which reflect a ray of the infinite greatness of the Lord in us." (St. Pius X - Catechismo Maggiore) but at the same time we need to add that our nature is not self-sufficient (that is how Satan thinks of himself) and we need the Grace of God to receive true dignity worth its name i.e. dignity of adopted sons of God (Jn 1)
So our nature is not divine (which post-conciliar whimsies suggest( but our end/goal is supernatural (which post-conciliar whimsies like to ignore). Therefore, we need the divine to fulfill our destiny and we can find it in traditional Catholic means of grace and sanctification (Sacraments included). Unfortunately, post-concilliar mumbo-jumbo tries to kill that need.
Denis Efimov
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
@V.R.S.
I agree with you. "Gaudium et spes" was the seed, or rather the bomb, from which burst out the further "progress of doctrine" made by JPII. As always in such cases, the fruit turned out to be even more poisonous than it was in the seed.
I agree with you. "Gaudium et spes" was the seed, or rather the bomb, from which burst out the further "progress of doctrine" made by JPII. As always in such cases, the fruit turned out to be even more poisonous than it was in the seed.
Wilma Lopez shares this
- Report
Remove share
"No mere man was of infinite dignity, so as to make adequate satisfaction for an offence against God" (St Thomas Aquinas, 'De Rationibus Fidei', ch. 7).
In Principio
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Another lost soul.
andrew24157
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Snake. Go and learn some basic math about what infinity is. Only God is infinite all of the other things and creatures are definitely finite. What kind of theologian has no concept of the basics? God help us we beg you.
andrew24157
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Their /Pope and Tucho/ goal is to cement homosexuality for now, pretending at the same time being truthful. Yes, yes, no, no. All else is from the devil.
Denis Efimov
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
"224. Is the dignity of the human person rooted in his creation in God’s image and likeness?
This was true for Adam, but with original sin the human person lost this resemblance and dignity in the eyes of God. He recovers this dignity through baptism, and keeps it as long as he does not sin mortally.
225. Then human dignity is not the same in all persons?
No. The human person loses his dignity in …More
"224. Is the dignity of the human person rooted in his creation in God’s image and likeness?
This was true for Adam, but with original sin the human person lost this resemblance and dignity in the eyes of God. He recovers this dignity through baptism, and keeps it as long as he does not sin mortally.
225. Then human dignity is not the same in all persons?
No. The human person loses his dignity in proportion to his free choice of error or evil; e.g., the dig nity of Adolph Hitler and St. Francis of Assisi are not the same".
Source: Bishop Athanasius Schneider. Credo. Compendium of the Catholic Faith. Sophia Institute Press. 2023.
This was true for Adam, but with original sin the human person lost this resemblance and dignity in the eyes of God. He recovers this dignity through baptism, and keeps it as long as he does not sin mortally.
225. Then human dignity is not the same in all persons?
No. The human person loses his dignity in proportion to his free choice of error or evil; e.g., the dig nity of Adolph Hitler and St. Francis of Assisi are not the same".
Source: Bishop Athanasius Schneider. Credo. Compendium of the Catholic Faith. Sophia Institute Press. 2023.
James Manning
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
That's why dignity is divided into four categories in the document. Man loses moral dignity through sin but retains ontological dignity in that he is made in the image and likeness of God.
Classic Wittgensteinain language-game. Modernism is steeped in post-modernist philosophy.More
That's why dignity is divided into four categories in the document. Man loses moral dignity through sin but retains ontological dignity in that he is made in the image and likeness of God.
Classic Wittgensteinain language-game. Modernism is steeped in post-modernist philosophy.
Classic Wittgensteinain language-game. Modernism is steeped in post-modernist philosophy.
Denis Efimov
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
And how did this game help them? What conclusions do they draw from the postulation of ontological dignity? Probably then they mix up their own categories of dignity and replace one with another?
James Manning
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
I just did a quick read of the document, so I'm sure I didn't pick up on everything. But I do see why it took five years to write. Not because of its theological depth but because there would have been much more pushback against the document five years ago.
It smacks of liberation theology and plays games with the concept of dignity. A good amount of it sounds okay until you stop to think about …More
I just did a quick read of the document, so I'm sure I didn't pick up on everything. But I do see why it took five years to write. Not because of its theological depth but because there would have been much more pushback against the document five years ago.
It smacks of liberation theology and plays games with the concept of dignity. A good amount of it sounds okay until you stop to think about what the full implications of the document are.
Also, not a fan of this new seamless garment on which sins against migrants and our poor stewardship of creation are on par with abortion and euthanasia.
It smacks of liberation theology and plays games with the concept of dignity. A good amount of it sounds okay until you stop to think about what the full implications of the document are.
Also, not a fan of this new seamless garment on which sins against migrants and our poor stewardship of creation are on par with abortion and euthanasia.
Right off the bat - from the very title - one sees the screaming HUMANISM of the document, Dignitas infinita = Quote: "Every human person possesses an infinite dignity, inalienably grounded in his or her very being." ONLY GOD HAS INFINITE DIGNITY! We humans only share [the Scholastics termed it "participate"] in any dignity because we're created by God, hence we MUST cooperate with God's grace!
Sean Johnson
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Freemasonry says man is God, so no surprise to see Tucho assigning divine attributes to man.
Novena - Oremus
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Apparently deportation of illegal invaders is a violation of man's infinite dignity on par with abortion.
James Manning
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Yeah, it's a pretty clear break with the Church teaching that states have the right to maintain their integrity by enforcing borders, thus holding up a greater social order. Then again, I remember when capital punishment wasn't a sin, too.
Everyday for Life Canada
- Report
Change comment
Remove comment
Even the Vatican seems to be afraid of the F-word these days, family.