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Kansas City: Invalid Eucharists for Years?

Two newly appointed Kansas City priests discovered in their three different parishes that they have used a "wine" that was an invalid matter for consecration for years, Archbishop Joseph Naumann wrote in a May 31 letter (PillarCatholic.com).

Therefore, the Eucharists were possibly invalid and the intentions not fulfilled. Naumann has asked Francis' Vatican for guidance - although Francis couldn't care less.

Naumann tells his priests that altar wine must be made from grapes, without additives, and be "vinified for sacramental use" (although the Vatican has said that the latter is not necessary).

It's unknown what the Eucharists have been celebrated with (grape juice?). Naumann simply states that many commercial wines contain additives like elderberry extract, sugar, alcohol, etc. which could invalidate the Eucharist.

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Sancte Teotónio shares this
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123jussi
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With the Novus Ordo that is just the tip of the iceberg!
Jeffrey Ade
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The Novus Ordo Mass has been invalid since its inception. Read this and weep! Fidelity to the Word: Fr. Meuli argues "for all" renders Mass invalid
V.R.S.
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Montinian CDF and Ratzingerian have assured us: Not at all!
"There is no doubt whatsoever regarding the validity of Masses celebrated with the use of a duly approved formula containing a formula equivalent to "for all" as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has already declared"
cf:
Letter from Cardinal Francis Arinze on the Translation of Pro Multis
In the old days I would have called …More
Montinian CDF and Ratzingerian have assured us: Not at all!

"There is no doubt whatsoever regarding the validity of Masses celebrated with the use of a duly approved formula containing a formula equivalent to "for all" as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has already declared"

cf:
Letter from Cardinal Francis Arinze on the Translation of Pro Multis

In the old days I would have called it an escape from reality. Or superstition.
occasnltrvlr
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This point is moot: "for all" is not used during consecration.
Jeffrey Ade
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@occasnltrvlr I disagree. Was "for all" ever used? If so for how long? If it ever was used even once the point is clearly relevant. And the fact that it was used for over Thirty years indicates the state of decay of the novus ordo church and its followers. You can't expect to put the barnyard animals back in the barn after it has been burned down.
occasnltrvlr
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@Jeffrey Ade To the best of my recollection, I've heard it used exactly once. So, yes, for me, it was relevant. Once. But the barn didn't burn down, and the barnyard animals are okay.
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How bout this one.
foward
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In how many churches does such a thing happen? It would have to be seen.
123jussi
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How many of those parishes were Novus Ordo?
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
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"Therefore, the Eucharists were possibly invalid and the intentions not fulfilled. Naumann has asked Francis' Vatican for guidance - although Francis couldn't care less."
No, all Francis cares about are his beloved homosexual TRANS prostitutes who he sees every Wednesday at his General Audience, and positive words for homos. Francis couldn't care less about the Catholic Faith, least of all about …More
"Therefore, the Eucharists were possibly invalid and the intentions not fulfilled. Naumann has asked Francis' Vatican for guidance - although Francis couldn't care less."

No, all Francis cares about are his beloved homosexual TRANS prostitutes who he sees every Wednesday at his General Audience, and positive words for homos. Francis couldn't care less about the Catholic Faith, least of all about the Mass, and the wine that is consecrated for it.
For all he cares, they could use pizza and beer for Holy Communion.......like they did at a Catholic University near me when I was in college.😤😡😡
John A Cassani
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I agree with what you say, but, cases of sacramental validity are within the purview of the dicastery formerly known as the CDF, and, at least for the moment, Cardinal Ladaria is in charge, and he actually cares.
Robert P Hartley
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Invalid matter equals no sacrament. No dicastery, Pope, bishop, prelate, synod, or council can redefine invalid matter as valid matter. All past councils and Popes are very clear on this. Valid matter is required to confect the sacrament.
John A Cassani
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@Robert P Hartley The question being posed by Bishop Naumann has to do with how to remedy the situation. Rome will have to determine how to make sure that a valid Mass is celebrated for each and every intention. To a different point; there are certainly those in Rome today, and all over the Church, who couldn’t care less about sacramental validity. It does nothing to the reality of it all, but, I …More
@Robert P Hartley The question being posed by Bishop Naumann has to do with how to remedy the situation. Rome will have to determine how to make sure that a valid Mass is celebrated for each and every intention. To a different point; there are certainly those in Rome today, and all over the Church, who couldn’t care less about sacramental validity. It does nothing to the reality of it all, but, I believe that for the time being, the CDF has not fallen into heresy. As things stand regarding the near future, it is almost certainly going toward heresy.
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