Strickland goes to Medjugorje (misspelled in his post)
Marysrose
To conjure up the Blessed Virgin every day for years? It's a séance conjuring up the devil pretending to be Our Lady.
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Oct. 1, 1981: "All religions are equal before God," says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317)
Sally Dorman
The Virgin: "I do not dispose of all graces...Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary." (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)
Sally Dorman
"The Virgin added: 'It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children."
Adrien
''You are all equal before my Son…''. This is coherent with the fact that we have a soul, and souls are created spirits, analogous to angels, who are also spirits created by God.
The quote "All religions are equal before God" comes from a question asked to a seer (Ivanka or Vicka), it was something like: Do all religions are equal to God? The teen girl answered with her personal understanding at …More
''You are all equal before my Son…''. This is coherent with the fact that we have a soul, and souls are created spirits, analogous to angels, who are also spirits created by God.

The quote "All religions are equal before God" comes from a question asked to a seer (Ivanka or Vicka), it was something like: Do all religions are equal to God? The teen girl answered with her personal understanding at the time and said, "All religions are equal before God''; therefore, these words cannot be put in the mouth of the Virgin Mary. They are not part of a message written down after one of the apparitions, whether the apparitions are genuine or not.
Marysrose
The local bishop declared it is NOT of God. End of story.
Marysrose
Ignorance of Islam. Our Lady would NEVER promote Islam. The Word of God is NOT to be fudged for a narrative.
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Marysrose
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them." [2 Corinthians 4:4]
That is pretty clear.
Tom Jones
Francis' Vatican has muddied the waters, but the local bishop wrote a letter declaring it was NOT of God.
English Catholic
@Strong and Steadfast See my comment below. It touches on the "constat de non supernaturalitate" issue. I know that after this, it was pushed along to the Ruini Commission, but as I stated, there are serious issues with that Commission and it hasn't come to any definitive conclusion.
Adrien
@The Wandering Recluse
I am not into oversimplification of complex events, especially when human psychology meets potential supernatural communications. On top of that, we are talking about Yugoslavian/Bosnian teens or very young adults, welcoming crowds of visitors. They spent a lot of time answering loads of questions, especially Vicka, and I can tell you that none of them received the gift of …More
@The Wandering Recluse

I am not into oversimplification of complex events, especially when human psychology meets potential supernatural communications. On top of that, we are talking about Yugoslavian/Bosnian teens or very young adults, welcoming crowds of visitors. They spent a lot of time answering loads of questions, especially Vicka, and I can tell you that none of them received the gift of infuse science unlike Padre Pio and some others.

I know it because, toward the end of the 1990s, I read at least four books on Medjugorje, enough to get a good picture of these events. I saw videos, and I met people who went there.

My appreciation of all this makes me think that if I were to ask a question to one of the seers, I wouldn’t expect a direct quote from the Virgin Mary, especially if the question was not previously asked to the Virgin Mary herself, even in a context where the authenticity of the apparitions would be taken for granted.

Like most people, a young seer, while elaborating on a question, could easily confuse ‘’all religions’’ with ‘’people of all religions’’. From there, a seer could think that the universal conversion to Catholicism is probably not the Will of God, especially if the Virgin Mary did not mention it.

The Madonna said that religions are separated on earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son.”

I don’t see any major problem with that answer, generally speaking, even if I believe there are exceptions for people of other religions and denominations.

I explained inexhaustively my position, still with several points, in an exchange on this page:

Pray for Protestants in Purgatory

It starts with my comment, commencing with ''If a Protestant...’’.
Adrien
@The Wandering Recluse
In the context of an authentic apparition, a basic seer (no other gift received) is only someone who has seen and heard a heavenly being.
He doesn't know more than he can remember correctly. There is a reason why after each allege apparition, there was a reunion to write down the core of the Virgin Mary's message.
I know that many people will hold a basic seer as a permanent …More
@The Wandering Recluse

In the context of an authentic apparition, a basic seer (no other gift received) is only someone who has seen and heard a heavenly being.

He doesn't know more than he can remember correctly. There is a reason why after each allege apparition, there was a reunion to write down the core of the Virgin Mary's message.

I know that many people will hold a basic seer as a permanent divine oracle.

Even if the seers answered thousands of questions about what they experienced, some people will only report an imprecise and underdeveloped answer to a tricky (requiring caution or skill) question.

By the way, you almost went so far as to add a name to the list of seers (Svetozar Krljevic O.F.M.).

''Contradict infallible doctrine, contradict scripture'' Which ones?
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Adrien
@The Wandering Recluse
Did you read this page yourself?
None of the three verses on Virgo Sacrata affirms the damnation of the soul of those who haven’t been Evangelized.
John 17:21 Content: Prayer for the Apostles and their successors, for their unity in the future.
Ephesians 4:3-5 Content: Instruction for the Church, for unity of spirit in peace. There is one God and one Church.
John 14:6.More
@The Wandering Recluse

Did you read this page yourself?

None of the three verses on Virgo Sacrata affirms the damnation of the soul of those who haven’t been Evangelized.

John 17:21 Content: Prayer for the Apostles and their successors, for their unity in the future.
Ephesians 4:3-5 Content: Instruction for the Church, for unity of spirit in peace. There is one God and one Church.
John 14:6. Content: All the elects will go to the Eternal Father through the action of His Son.

Even if many will be deprived of the benefit of Salvation in Hell, the fact that the Work of Redemption is for everyone and that the Son of God suffers for all men is strongly and repeatedly affirmed in the Divinely inspired Holy Scriptures:

1 Timothy 2:5-6 “For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself [as] a redemption for all, a testimony in due times”.

1 Timothy 4:10 “... we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.”

John 1:29 Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world

1 John 2:2 "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world.”
Adrien
@frawley Medjugorje apparitions and website Virgo Sacrata.
The author of the page on V. Sacrata has malicious intent. Look at this. Only one short message on his page is actually a direct quote from the Virgin Mary:
The Blessed Mother has said, ''Tell everyone that it is you who are divided on earth. The Moslems and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and me.”More
@frawley Medjugorje apparitions and website Virgo Sacrata.

The author of the page on V. Sacrata has malicious intent. Look at this. Only one short message on his page is actually a direct quote from the Virgin Mary:

The Blessed Mother has said, ''Tell everyone that it is you who are divided on earth. The Moslems and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and me.”

It is true that human beings are divided on Earth, right?

Then the rest is only about the people, without any consideration related to the value of their mentioned religions. The message conveniently ends there. Now look at the original message:

On the matter of a Catholic priest, confused because of the cure of an Orthodox child:

Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and me. You are all my children. Certainly, all religions are not equal, but all men are equal before God, as St. Paul says. It does not suffice to belong to the Catholic Church to be saved, but it is necessary to respect the commandments of God in following one's conscience.
Those who are not Catholics are no less creatures made in the image of God and destined to rejoin, someday, the House of the Father. Salvation is available to everyone, without exception. Only those who refuse God deliberately are condemned. To him, who has been given little, little will be asked for. To whomever has been given much,
much will be required. It is God alone, in His infinite justice, Who determines the degree of responsibility and pronounces judgment. (C 128). medjugorje.eu/messages/

’Certainly, all religions are not equal, but all men are equal before God, as St. Paul says.’’ - The Lady appearing in Medjugorje

When someone is talking about the equal worth of the souls created by God (mentioning the three local religions in Bosnia), it is extremely dishonest to cut the message exactly where he affirms the inequality of their religions.

How deceitful one must be to fabricate such deception! The author is surely inspired by the father of lies and not by the Holy Spirit!

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Another thing: the author of the V. Sacrata page quotes the most exaggerated claim concerning the Petrine Ministry in history.

We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

(I assume that everyone here knows this: if one is not saved, he will be cast into Hell for his eternal damnation.)

Here, I will not talk about the incertitude concerning the pontificate of Boniface VIII because some others made EENS declarations.

Even in the Middle Age, people in the Catholic world were surprised that the Pope could dare to doctrinally present his role in such way. I will add it in paraphrase to the discourse of the Apostle Peter in Jerusalem to see if that makes any sense.

Acts 2:14-18

‘’But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice and said to them: Men of Judea, and all you that dwell in Jerusalem, be this known to you, and hearken to my words.

For these are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is the third hour of the day;
but this is that which was spoken through the prophet Joel:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream swevens;

and indeed on my servants and on my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.’’


- And from now on, anyone on Earth who is not my subject will go to Hell, because to be my subject is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature!! 😱

Ouch!

At the end of my previous comment to The Wandering Recluse, there is five verses concerning the Divine Work of Salvation.

The papal declarations on V. Sacrata's page are not receivable as dogmas because they are not linked to Apostolic Traditions, nor Holy Scriptures.

We should always keep this in mind:

THE DOGMATIC DECREES OF THE VATICAN COUNCIL CONCERNING THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. A.D. 1870.

’And the Roman Pontiffs, according to the exigencies of times and circumstances, sometimes assembling œcumenical Councils, or asking for the mind of the Church scattered throughout the world, sometimes by particular Synods, sometimes using other helps which Divine Providence supplied, defined as to be held those things which, with the help of God they had recognized as conformable with the sacred Scriptures and Apostolic traditions. For the Holy Spirit was not promised to the successors of Peter, that by their revelation they might make known new doctrine; but that by their assistance they might inviolably keep and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith delivered through the Apostles.’’

Popes sometimes contradict themselves (Saint Nicholas the Great versus Innocent IV), but the Holy Spirit never contradicts himself.

I have more to say if you are interested, but I will stop here to keep it short.
SonoftheChurch
Oh no, Your Excellency. 😲🥺😟This is the wrong rabbit hole for you to jump down into. Back away quickly while you have a chance. Don’t sully yourself and your sterling reputation with this. You have far too much to lose.
mystic
In his case, sounds like they gave him the choice. Like in. You go there or you will be removed. So he somehow gave in, and he could tell the world he was not removed.
mystic
Let's wait for his verdict.
frawley
Our prayers are with you Bishop Strickland! Our Lady of Medjugorje pray for us in these difficult times.
Live Mike
Anything and everything that supports Vatican II
Mir vsjem
Er stand ja im Grunde doch zu Bergoglio, heisst eben auch zur Ketzersekte.
Das sind die gefährlichen Halbkonservativen.
Er achtete auch nicht auf die Worte des katholischen Patriarchats:
"Byzantinisch-Katholisches Patriarchat: Was hätte Bischof Strickland tun sollen?
Bischof Strickland
war ein Opfer der Ketzerei der Papolatrie (die insbesondere von Bischof Schneider propagiert wurde). Für diesen …More
Er stand ja im Grunde doch zu Bergoglio, heisst eben auch zur Ketzersekte.
Das sind die gefährlichen Halbkonservativen.

Er achtete auch nicht auf die Worte des katholischen Patriarchats:

"Byzantinisch-Katholisches Patriarchat: Was hätte Bischof Strickland tun sollen?

Bischof Strickland
war ein Opfer der Ketzerei der Papolatrie (die insbesondere von Bischof Schneider propagiert wurde). Für diesen falschen Gehorsam und die Unterwerfung unter den Häretiker, der das Papstamt innehat, hat Strickland seine Herde verlassen.

Bischof Schneider und viele traditionelle Katholiken sind davon überzeugt, dass sie um jeden Preis darauf bestehen müssen, dass Bergoglio im Amt bleibt, auch wenn er die größten Ketzereien und schwersten Verbrechen begeht. Sie befürchten eine sogenannte Fragmentierung oder Spaltung der äußeren Struktur der Kirche. Sie haben die falsche Hoffnung, dass nach dem Ketzer Bergoglio ein rechtgläubiger Papst kommen wird und dass alles wieder gut wird. Dies ist jedoch eine große Selbsttäuschung.

Der Ketzer, der das Papsttum besetzt, wird ihnen über ihre Naivität ins Gesicht lachen, denn:

1) Er hat bereits dafür gesorgt, dass kein rechtgläubiger Papst offiziell sein Nachfolger werden kann. Lassen Sie sie zählen und sehen, welche Kardinäle der derzeitige Pseudopapst ernannt hat. Sie haben denselben Geist wie Bergoglio.

2) Die Häresie der Papolatrie wird die letzten rechtgläubigen Bischöfe auf der ganzen Welt dazu bringen, freiwillig von ihren Ämtern zurückzutreten und die ihnen anvertraute Herde den gefräßigen Wölfen zu überlassen. Der Missbrauch der päpstlichen Autorität durch Bergoglio und die ebenso missbrauchte Autorität der bergoglianischen Bischöfe werden dazu dienen, in jeder Diözese und Gemeinde Sodomie und Götzendienst zu etablieren, der mit Satanismus verbunden ist.

Und was die äußere Struktur der Kirche betrifft, wie Schulen, Krankenhäuser, karitative Einrichtungen, Kirchen, kirchliche Räumlichkeiten ..., all das wird dank der Häresie der Papolatrie widerstandslos in die Hände der Abtrünnigen übergehen, die in Einheit mit dem satanischen Geist des Tiefen Staates stehen...
Natürlich werden die Pforten der Hölle die Kirche nicht überwältigen, aber aufgrund der Häresie der Papolatrie, die von Bischof Schneider vertreten wird, wird nur eine Handvoll Gläubiger in Katakombenkirche, ohne Kirchen und ohne Institutionen, übrig bleiben.

Möge der schmerzhafte Fall, den wir von Bischof Stricklands falschem Gehorsam gesehen haben, den Anhängern der Papolatrie in den Reihen der traditionellen Katholiken die Augen öffnen und sie dazu bringen, radikal mit dieser Häresie zu brechen.

Auf die Frage, was Bischof Strickland tun sollte, antworten wir: Bischof Strickland sollte in seinem Amt bleiben und es nicht verlassen. Sein Gehorsam gegenüber einem offensichtlichen Häretiker war im Wesentlichen ein Verrat an Christus und der ihm von Christus anvertrauten Herde. Außerdem machte er damit deutlich, dass er den offensichtlichen Häretiker, der das Papstamt innehatte, weiterhin als echten Papst betrachtete. Diese Selbsttäuschung ist sowohl für ihn als auch für seine Diözese eine Tragödie.

Bischof Strickland hat die von Gott gegebene Gelegenheit vertan, ein gutes Beispiel eines mutigen Hirten zu geben, der Christus und seine Lehren gegen den Erzketzer Bergoglio verteidigt, der sich dem Satan geweiht hat. Mit schmerzlicher Hilflosigkeit haben wir diese Tragödie miterlebt, in der dieser rechtgläubige Bischof de facto Verrat begangen hat und als warnendes Beispiel für ein Opfer der Ketzerei namens Papolatrie dient.

+ Elija Patriarch des Byzantinischen katholischen Patriarchats
+ Methodius, OSBMr + Timotheus, OSBMr
Bischöfe-Sekretäre "

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Jeffrey Ade
Thanks for you response!
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Strickland crede in Medjugorje.
Simon North
Any one who thought that +Strickland was going to be a Restorationist was deluding themselves. This man is Novus Ordo through and through. Unless one repudiates the source of the Church's cancer - Vatican II and its 60 year aftermath - they're part of the problem (because, in some way or wayS, they've departed from the Ancient Faith).
Diodoro
I'm Novus Ordo too: I find absurd and anti-christic to define "Non-Catholic" the last 60 years in the Life of the Church.
In particular, it's absurd and anti-christic to define "Anti-Catholic revolutionaries" Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI.
Mgr. Viganò has just openly stated that .
That's why I'm sure that, sadly, his work will get no real fruits
Simon North
We belong to different religions. Mine is Roman Catholic - professing the same Creed that was professed from the Apostolic Age. The fact that Wojtyla and Ratzinger both proclaimed that the Church had no mission to convert the Jews should be sufficient for you to see their corruption of Holy Faith. So stop deluding yourself.
Mir vsjem
"This man is Novus Ordo through and through." correkt, @Simon North !
Dieser Mann ist durch und durch Novus Ordo.
English Catholic
@Simon North I know what you mean. There are some who think that all the problems started with Francis. They wail about Pachamama and the Abrahamic Family House/Abu Dhabi declaration scandals, but conveniently forget about Assisi I and II (Pope John Paul II) and Assisi III (Pope Benedict XVI).
Credo .
Bishop Strickland had some very bad advisors when he was mentally & physically exhausted. Have to agree with English Catholic; Why couldn't he have gone to Fatima? 🤔
English Catholic
Why couldn't he have gone to Fatima? Why go to somewhere when, even after the Ruini Commission, massive question marks still hang over the authenticity of these alleged apparitions? The Contradictions of the Commission of Inquiry on Medjugorje | The Medjugorje Illusion It's worth remembering that Bishop Peric - who would have had a great deal of inside knowledge and access to all the source documents …More
Why couldn't he have gone to Fatima? Why go to somewhere when, even after the Ruini Commission, massive question marks still hang over the authenticity of these alleged apparitions? The Contradictions of the Commission of Inquiry on Medjugorje | The Medjugorje Illusion It's worth remembering that Bishop Peric - who would have had a great deal of inside knowledge and access to all the source documents said this:- "my conviction and position is not only non constat de supernaturalitate [the supernaturality is not proven] but also the other formula constat de non supernaturalitate [the non-supernaturality is proven] of the apparitions or revelations of Medjugorje." Library : Letter to Thierry Boutet
Carolan
@English Catholic. I so agree. I have seen much of this evidence as well. But even without it, all one has to see is a "gospa" who says that in the eyes of God ALL religions are the same. REALLY?! Hopefully, now that he has been removed from the NO atmosphere, God may open his eyes to the true nature of the Ape of the Church! Prayers for Bp. Strickland.
English Catholic
@Carolan I've never believed in it, and have never been there, even though I was offered a free trip there by a Medjugorje fanatic, so I could be 'converted'. I declined the offer. A friend of mine went and came back very disturbed. She said it was highly 'charismatic' and things like people being 'slain in the spirit' and 'speaking in tongues' and all that malarkey. Francis has spoken with forked …More
@Carolan I've never believed in it, and have never been there, even though I was offered a free trip there by a Medjugorje fanatic, so I could be 'converted'. I declined the offer. A friend of mine went and came back very disturbed. She said it was highly 'charismatic' and things like people being 'slain in the spirit' and 'speaking in tongues' and all that malarkey. Francis has spoken with forked tongue about the issue. First of all, he made that famous 'postmistress' comment: "Yet Francis too is suspicious of some of the more spectacular claims sometimes made by fervent Marian devotees. Famously, in November 2013 the pontiff declared that Mary “is not a postmistress, delivering messages every day,” in the context of answering a question about Medjugorje." Medjugorje message expresses Pope Francis’s ‘Marian Classic’ but then in 2018 he apparently claimed to have 'saved Medjugorje'. Pope Francis: “I Am the One Who Saved Medjugorie” I think Rome is frightened of schism if it condemns Medjugorje. The Ruini Commission has inconsistencies: The Contradictions of the Commission of Inquiry on Medjugorje | The Medjugorje Illusion Also, from the same site, see the scandalous behaviour and money-making of the alleged seers: Scandalous behaviour: Holy Consistency! Mirjana and an impudent pop star | The Medjugorje Illusion Money making: The Medjugorje Seers and Money | The Medjugorje Illusion Alleged seer Ivan Dragičević came in for a particular drubbing during the Commission: "Ivan Dragičević, on whose credibility serious and demonstrated reservations have emerged. Also, as regards moral conduct and in particular the question of the quaestus lucri (gain of profit) the position of Ivan Dragičević is more compromised than that of the other alleged visionaries. [Final Report: Gaeta, p. 115; Murgia, pp. 69-70]
sarto2010
Aw for goodness’ sake. Has he bought into this whole money-making charade as well?
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Bischof Strickland "pilgert" nach Medjugorje.
mccallansteve
Very sad news as this Medjugoria fraud has found another victim. How anyone can believe that the Virgin has been appearing for over 40 years everyday to these phony alleged seers is beyond me.
Sean Johnson
Oh brother.😒